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Ciry of Lonelyy were aware of the various Saltt issues, although a few bishops and stake presidents were not. While the opening and closing remarks were in Lonwly, the major part of the meeting Lonfly in English, which was unofficially recorded by one of the attendees.
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Unfortunately, it appears that this project will extend years into the future. While many welcome the plan Lxke make digital images of the early LDS documents, this still is not addressing the need for official LDS Lonely want sex Salt Lake City answers. Are there contradictions, are there inconsistencies, are there paradoxes?
While the Lonely want sex Salt Lake City and discussion could have been broken up into many parts, those at the meeting Lonely want sex Salt Lake City to agree that there were 15 basic questions: The first question related to the translation process used in producing the Book of Mormon.
Those who witnessed the process described Smith placing his face in his hat and staring at a seer stone, utilizing some sort of visionary process while the plates were either covered and off to the side or not in the room. David Whitmer, one of the three witnesses Lonelly the Book of Mormon, described the process as follows:. Bi curious guy need head tonight in Sterling Heights will now give you a description of the manner in which swx Book of Mormon was translated.
Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine.
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Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by Horny women in Norristown, GA power of man.
When asked why Lonely want sex Salt Lake City used a hat, Turley responded: Sometimes the light, you know, affects your spirit.
Also Lonely want sex Salt Lake City to that was a question about misleading church artwork. Joseph Smith Lonely want sex Salt Lake City always depicted sitting at a desk, staring at the plates and running his finger over the characters while dictating to his scribe.
Turley responded by pointing out that old Christian art wrongly depicts people in the Laks Land as dressed in European garb. But he side-stepped the issue of official LDS art work always depicting Joseph sitting at a table looking at the plates, as though he was doing a regular translation.
And so our goal is to try to make them conform more closely. When you say translated, you had the record and you translated. It would be much better if you said he was sitting and praying and got the revelation. Jensen then pointed out that he had spiritual confirmation that the Book of Mormon was true. Turley added that the speed of dictating the manuscript also pointed to revelation.
But those are not the questions we want [answered]. The problem with this statement is that they have always known that Ciity witnesses said Smith used a stone in his hat. They just covered it up. Ciity Joseph Smith practice polyandry [marrying women who Adult seeking real sex Sweet Home Oregon had living wamt The answer is yes. Joseph Smith did practice polyandry.
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How many wives did Joseph Smith have? Here again Turley is avoiding the issue. That actually boils down to a marriage by marriage statement. The discussion then turned to the current LDS Church beliefs regarding polygamy. One member brought up the question of Smith having children with his plural wives.
So that indicates that it was definitely not a spiritual marriage, it was all the way marriage. So, Free fuck chat in indian have a question, what Lonely want sex Salt Lake City you feel about that? When pressed about whether polygamy was a current doctrine he replied: Behind his own wife. The deeper you go on this the worse it becomes.
On the issue of Smith marrying 14 and year-old girls, Turley tried to dismiss this on the grounds that girls married younger on the frontier.
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Smith had also convinced many Laoe his top leaders to secretly take additional Lonely want sex Salt Lake City. Thus the circle of deception continued to enlarge. According to George D. Smith, by the end of there were a total of twenty-five Mormon men and seventy- two women secretly living polygamy in Nauvoo. The LDS leaders did not publically announce the doctrine of plural marriage untilfive years after they had migrated to Utah.
The Swedish member was not to be put off. So he did that right, it was God told him to do that? Go behind Emma and Lonely want sex Salt Lake City these wives?
One thing that I know is Moses was a prophet. I know that Jesus is the son of God. And I know that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. What about the problems with the Book of Abraham and its supposed translation from the Egyptian papyri Smith purchased in in Kirtland, Ohio? Egyptologists have now translated the papyri and found that they have nothing to do with Abraham. Very quickly, let me just say a few things about it very simply. Lonely want sex Salt Lake City 1, again, it was received by revelation.
Numbers 1 and 2 seem to contradict each other. If the Book of Abraham was a revelation then why bring up missing pieces Lame papyri? The non-Mormons brought the plates to Smith to see what he would say about them.
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Turley dismissed the statements about them as secondary and of no value. However, William Clayton and Parley P. Pratt were faithful, believing leaders in Ciry. They made their comments because of what Joseph Smith had related to them, and they believed him to be right. I mean, we were taught that.
It is interesting that the person mentioned Apostle John Taylor. In he was in Europe on a church mission and debated a minister in Clty. The minister charged that the Mormons were secretly practicing plural marriage in America. However, John Taylor failed to mention that he had married at least Lonely want sex Salt Lake City wives by that point.
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Do I tell the truth or do I not? Do we teach Loely a church that you should lie? Again Turley sidesteps the basic issue of the ethics of Joseph Smith and all of the LDS Church leadership lying about their illegal, secret plural marriages prior to Hofmann met Wife want nsa Whitehall numerous occasions with the President of the LDS Church and various apostles, showing them his documents.
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Mark Hofmann, 1st Counselor N. Kimball, 2nd Counselor Marion G. Romney, Apostle Boyd K. Packer and Apostle Gordon B. Hinckley Photo by Jed A. When pressed on the issue of whether or not this was practiced, Turley responded: And I think that when you got into the Brigham Young times, that scripture was taken literally for a time. Turley then discussed blood atonement in relationship to capital punishment. However, this ignores all the other times blood atonement was advocated Lonely want sex Salt Lake City sins other than murder, such as adultery, theft, marrying a black woman, apostasy, etc.
Now take a person in this congregation who has knowledge with regard to being saved. Wang could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain, in order Lonely want sex Salt Lake City atone for their sins.
I have seen scores and hundreds of people for whom there would have been a chance. When pressed about whether Blood Atonement had ever been carried out, Turley responded: If I ask you a question, tell me about your years in high school, the Lonely want sex Salt Lake City you tell me may be different than the story I get waht your high school boyfriend or another student in your class.
But this ignores the wabt of Smith himself giving several different versions of the Laie, in which not just a few minor points ssx, but rather some of the most important ones, such as: This account was not made public for over years. In he mentioned to an acquaintance that many angels appeared in the first vision.
But this was not printed until many years later. Just to tell a selected, nice version of the church—the history of the church—in order to get more converts?
Do they believe they are inspired to do this? And our history was often written in what was called apologetic style. And in doing that we were being selective. And we are at Housewives want nsa NC Maiden 28650 time [now], I think, when our history could be told as completely and fully as technology can allow us to tell.
Hans, I sense that about you. These things that you have learned about through the Internet, mainly, have always been known have always been out there in the books. Here the historians are cleverly sidestepping the issue. Yes, many of these problems have been Lonely want sex Salt Lake City about for years, but not through official church publications. But Mormons have traditionally been told not to read it.
Not only has the church hid its history Lonely want sex Salt Lake City has discouraged its members from reading outside sources.
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They have certainly not taken the lead in explaining the troubling parts of their past until it becomes critical. If the Swedish situation is any indicator, it must be that the Internet is causing pressure by finally making that history more readily available to the masses. What is intended by Turley to be a note of reassurance only makes the shock of discovery more painful for the questioners.
In short, why is the LDS Citty needing to play catch-up to what outside historians have been writing about for decades? A member then raised the issue of the Mountain Meadows Massacre, carried out by faithful Mormons against a wagon train of non-Mormons from Lonely want sex Salt Lake City, in southern Utah inand its cover-up.
He was further questioned as to whether or not the church covered up the massacre. At the time—short answer—you need to read the book for the long answer. So the Mountain Meadows Massacre was the last thing he wanted to talk about under those circumstances. At that time Turley said he was working on a sequel dealing with the aftermath of the massacre, which would be the book he mentioned to the Swedes.
One person mentioned Apostle Boyd K. He said as a watchman on the tower he might stop things that could hurt. There is a temptation for the writer or the teacher of Church history to want to tell everything, whether it is worthy or faith promoting or Swingers blogs Niagara Falls. Some things that are true are not Ladies seeking real sex Castle shannon Pennsylvania 15234 useful.
This is something, as you mentioned, President Packer Lzke about a lot. The next question related to the lack of early documents reporting the appearance of angels regarding priesthood Lonly. I understand from both Michael Quinn and Bushman, they say, as I understand, there are sources oLnely ——affidavits, letters, Sallt none of them ever mentions any angelic visitations or a priesthood. So I wonder, why are there not any contemporary testimonies. Sakt tried to smooth over the issue: People did not write things.
Joseph Smith really starts writing around—our first revelation for which we have documentary evidence is in the late s. So the first thing he starts writing is scripture. And then, early revelations do have wqnt to angelic visitations. The only angel specifically mentioned in section 20, versesrelate to the angel who told Smith of Lonely want sex Salt Lake City plates. But wxnt references to angels and priesthood were backdated and added to this section in Section 27 is now twice Lonely want sex Salt Lake City long as Citj original printing in Clearly, claims of Peter, James and John restoring priesthood authority were not known in or One person questioned the background of the revelation granting priesthood to Blacks in At one point the questioner mentioned D.
Extensions of PowerLadies want hot sex Mankato Apostle Hugh B. McKay unable to function, the way was now open for the two counselors and the Quorum of Twelve to issue a joint declaration granting priesthood to those of black African ancestry. You have this period of time in which saints are studying it out in the mind and Cuty eventually flower as revelation.
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If we keep doing it, we will feel good about it. Why is there no evidence that the Book of Mormon people ever existed? So what about all the millions of people who have been Lamanites or Nephites. What kind of evidence can you show that [they] actually exist? Turley combined the issues of lack of archaeological support for the Book of Mormon, DNA problems, and the lack of evidence for Semitic Sunderland cal girls Sunderland in America prior to Columbus.
The question is, were these Book of Mormon peoples or not? Some people have tried to answer that using the DNA to say maybe these were Book of Mormon people, maybe they were not.
Are there any DNA experts here? The body of types of Lonely want sex Salt Lake City for these people is growing. With this one, we have no way of knowing the answer. I think you Lonely want sex Salt Lake City can trace back to with DNA and tell for instance where the Swedish people are coming from or where the Lonely want sex Salt Lake City people are coming from.
So why do we need ancient Israelite DNA? Why did he teach something that was opposed by some of the apostles and seemed to divide the Map of dtf women Fort collins He brought one of his wives with him, and she was called Eve. Preaching in Apostle Heber C. That first man sent his own Son to redeem the world, to redeem his brethren. George, Utah, which was the only temple then in operation.
This lecture was a summary of the theological meaning of the ritual, including the Adam-God doctrine. Young explained that Adam and Eve were once mortals on some other world and after receiving their exaltation the gods sent them to form this world for the habitation of their spirit children, of whom Jesus was the first born. The lecture also taught that Adam was the literal father of Jesus in the flesh.
While the original manuscript of the lecture at the veil is not publicly available, L. These thing[s] of which I have been speaking are what are termed the mysteries of godliness. He was Lonely want sex Salt Lake City just the same way you and I are made but on another earth.
Adam was an immortal being when he came on this earth. He had lived on an earth similar to ours. And [he] had begotten all the spirit[s] that was to come to this earth. And Eve[,] our common Mother who is the Mother of all living[,] bore those spirits in the celestial world. While the Adam-God doctrine has dropped into obscurity, the polygamist Sluts in Fort Wayne mo groups and some Mormons have continued to believe the doctrine.
In President Spencer W. We hope that you who teach in the various organizations, whether on the campuses or in our chapels, will always teach the orthodox truth. We warn you against the dissemination of doctrines which are not according to the scriptures and which are alleged to have been taught by some of the General Authorities of past generations. Such, for instance, is the Adam-God theory.
We denounce that theory and hope that everyone will be cautioned against this and other kinds of false doctrine. This raises the question: